Sonntag, 21. April 2013

Padgi and Kardavate

There exists, pertinent to this, in Asia an original thing. Over there one calls the wife Fatma. But when she has a child, her husband calls her Padgi, that is to say, "sister," and the wife calls her husband Kardavate, that is to say, "brother." They are named brother and sister, they are not longer husband and wife. It is absurd and at the same time it teaches. And this comes to us from very remote times. (9. December 1943)

sacrifice for children

I am going again to explain to you among other things, something oriental. When a child arrives, after this moment the father and mother must figure that life is finished for them; their life, their satisfactions, all is sacrificed for their children. They do everything for their children and refuse themselves everything. They are father and mother, their life is finished. Their aim is their child, they must do all for him, even kill, even steal, some bad actions—for their children. (9. December 1943)

Sonntag, 7. April 2013

French are in reality very moral people

He then launched into a detailed description of the sexual habits of various races and nations, during the course of which he pointed out that while the French had a world-wide reputation for amorous prowess, it would be well for the people present to make a note of the fact that those highly civilized French used such words as “Mama” and “Mimi” to describe some of their unnatural and perverted sexual practices. He added, however, that in all justice to the French they were, in reality, very moral people and sexually mis­understood and misrepresented.

Dienstag, 5. März 2013

the Age of Maturity according to Gurdjieff

From this time on, that is, from the moment the process of his development is finished, a man becomes personally responsible for all his voluntary and involuntary manifestations. According to laws of nature elucidated and verified through many centuries of observation by people of pure reason, this process of development is finished in males between the ages of twenty and twenty-three, and in females between the ages of fifteen and nineteen, depending on the geographical conditions of the place of their arising and formation.

Meetings with Remarkable Men / Chapter "My first Tutor"

consequences of sex before adulthood

Gurdjieff also insisted that achieving an orgasm before reaching adulthood had serious consequences on an adolescent’s mental development: “If even once the sensation of the climax of what is called the ‘Ooomonvanosi process’ occurs in what is called the “nervous system” of their children before they reach majority, they will already never have the full possibility of normal mentation when they become adults.”

Gurdjieffs Sexual Beliefs and Practices


Concerning sexual desire, he once told me the following: "If a youth but once gratify this lust before reaching adulthood, then the same would happen to him as happened to the historical Esau, who for a single mess of pottage sold his birthright, that is, the welfare of his whole life; because if a youth yields to this temptation even once, he will lose for the rest of his life the possibility of being a man of real worth."

Meetings with Remarkable Men / Chapter "My first Tutor"

Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2013

transformation of sexual energy

His teaching about the transformation of the sexual energy is very personal and he was emphatic that there are no general rules that can be given. In some cases he regarded abstinence as desirable, in others encouraged strong sexual activity; in some cases self-control, in others the devotion of one man and one woman to the creation of one single soul between them. In some cases, he demanded at least for a time a completely promiscuous sexual life in order to rid a man with obsession with sex . . . Gurdjieff did not wish to give any rules that people would take to be universally valid and that could lead not only to misunderstanding but even to disaster.

J.G. Bennett - Making a New World

Sonntag, 17. Februar 2013

Gurdjieff & Sexual Initiation of female Pupils

There was a tendency on the part of some of the women to convey the impression that only women could really understand him and only those women who had slept with him were really initiated into his work.

John G. Bennett - Gurdjieff: Making a New World

Dienstag, 5. Februar 2013

Gurdjieff - love of sex, love of feeling

There is the love of sex, which is ordinarily known as “love” between men and women—when this disappears a man and a woman no longer “love” each other.

There is love of feeling, which evokes the opposite and makes people suffer. Later, we will talk about conscious love.

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Question: ‘Why is it that men are so often attracted to women who make them suffer? And women, of course, by men in the same way?’

Gurdjieff: ‘Think over what I said about love of feeling.’

Nott - Teachings of Gurdjieff

Gurdjieff - Men are logical, Women are not

Question: ‘It seems rather a silly question to ask, but what would you say is the difference between men and women?’
 
Gurdjieff:  ‘In general, men have minds more developed; women, feelings more developed. Men are logical, women are not logical. Men should learn to feel more, women to think more. You must think, feel, and sense a thing before it can become real to you.

Nott - Teachings of Gurdjieff

Montag, 4. Februar 2013

equal chances for Men and Women

Question: Can women work as well as men?

Gurdjieff: Different parts are more highly developed in men and women. In men it is the intellectual part, which we will call A; in women the emotional, or B. Work in the Institute is sometimes more along the lines of A, in which case it is very difficult for B. At other times it is more along the lines of B, in which case it is harder for A. But what is essential for real understanding is the fusion of A and B. This produces a force that we shall call C. Yes, there are equal chances for men and for women.

Views from the Real World

Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013

Gurdjieff on Kundalini Energy

To cause flow in the vertebral column, you must first do an exercise in order to get accustomed to having sensations of the Kundalini. You know what that is? We used to have there a tail, formerly. It is necessary to do this only as an exercise, to have the sensation of this spot.

Transcripts of Gurdjieffs Meetings 1941-46

Gurdjieffs sexual practices

I have heard a great many stories and a great deal of gossip about Gurdjieff's own reputed sexual practices, most of which were obviously untrue and seemed to stem from the fact that anyone who has set himself up as a leader, or who has a "school" of an unusual nature, must also, more or less automatically, have an unusual and varied sex life. The only somewhat unusual truth about this aspect of his life that I know to be a fact is that he did have children by a few different women to whom he was not married; a normal, if not legal, performance, and a far cry from the practices, rites, and orgies which I have heard ascribed to him.

Even now, many years after his death, I find that it is not uncommon for people who know of him by reputation to inquire about his sexual practices, often suggesting that they must have been not only very interesting and unusual (and, incidentally, that I had certainly either participated in them or at least knew all about them), but even a part of his teaching; they are always disappointed - one might say even disillusioned - to learn the opposite, particularly to learn that he was married, reacting almost as if that was the final sin for anyone of his "peculiar" stature.

Peters - Remembering Gurdjieff